{"id":823281,"date":"2025-09-05T10:00:00","date_gmt":"2025-09-05T09:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/jerichowriters.com\/?p=823281"},"modified":"2025-09-04T11:22:48","modified_gmt":"2025-09-04T10:22:48","slug":"ee-by-gum-eet-eez-orrible-innit","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/jerichowriters.com\/ee-by-gum-eet-eez-orrible-innit\/","title":{"rendered":"Ee by gum, eet eez orrible, innit?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>I\u2019ve had a couple of emails recently that I think have deserved a wider response. Here\u2019s one:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>\u201c<em>Please could you possibly say a little more about why the first example is \u2018orrible and the second is OK. When does dialect become patronising? It\u2019s a tricky thing to get right.<\/em>\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And good: this is a good question, not least because these issues have become excessively fraught.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So here is an example of transcribing a character\u2019s voice in a patronising way:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201c<em>Eet eez \u2019orrible to \u2019ear ze proud Frensh race beleettled in zis stooped manner.<\/em>\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But what the character involved has actually said here is:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201c<em>It is horrible to hear the proud French race belittled in this stupid manner.<\/em>\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The first sentence, by transcribing its pronunciations in a very literal way, makes the speaker come across as ludicrous \u2013 cartoony, a circus clown with a striped jumper, a string of onions and a comical moustache. But what\u2019s actually comical? The sentence itself displays perfect command of English, and what\u2019s being apparently laughed at here is an accent, over which the speaker has very little control.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And, golly gosh, that\u2019s a slippery slope.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Most people writing a non-English character in this way will (if English) speak roughly RP, or Received Pronunciation \u2013 in effect, roughly what a BBC newsreader used to sound like. In the US, it\u2019s much the same thing, except that the reference dialect is Standard American English.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(And, please note, in RP English, we say \u201cShe placed the <em>glahss<\/em> on the <em>grahss<\/em> next to her great big \u2013 handbag.\u201d But we wouldn\u2019t even conceive of inserting the letter H into the two italicised words to mark the weird pronunciation. Nor do we adjust the spelling to take care of the flat \u201ca\u201d sound in American and North-British versions of those words. So when it comes to <em><u>our<\/u><\/em> weird pronunciations, we don\u2019t even think of trying to reflect them in spelling.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And of course, as soon as you start to accord any kind of typographic privilege to a particular accent \u2013 whether RP or SAE \u2013 you get into all sorts of bother.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It\u2019s one thing to have a comical Frenchman \u2013 France is a nuclear power and can look after itself \u2013 but do you really want to apply the same diminishing treatment to, say, a black resident of Harlem? Or a Scouser? Or a northern woman of Pakistani heritage? Or a Mexican immigrant?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The answer, if you haven\u2019t already figured it out is, <em>No, certainly not. Don\u2019t go there. Step away from the quirky spellings<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>That\u2019s partly because of a perfectly legitimate anxiety about racism.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But it\u2019s also just a recognition of modern linguistics. The RP \/ SAE dialects are simply two dialects amongst many, many others. They don\u2019t come with a halo over them that says, \u201cthe king\/President speaks this way, so this version is right and everything else is wrong.\u201d The fact is that we all speak the dialect of our culture and each dialect has no more or less validity than the next.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>That\u2019s not just true of pronunciation. It\u2019s true of grammar too. Any significant dialect has its own grammar, which may differ from SAE \/ RP grammar (which, by the way, each differ from each other.) So African-American Vernacular English has its own strict rules of grammar, that are just different from SAE \u2013 and not just different, but with subtleties that SAE struggles to cope with. SAE has four basic past tenses: <em>I did buy it, I have bought it, I bought it, I had bought it<\/em>. AAVE has five, but differently structured: <em>I been bought it, I bought it, I done bought it, I did buy it, I do buy it<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What does all this tell us?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It tells us (duh!) that other people may speak differently from us.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It tells us (duh!) that it\u2019s not respectful or, in fact, linguistically accurate, to privilege one set of accents or grammars over another.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And that means that the solution for a novelist is quite easy:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Don\u2019t try to capture nuances of <em>accent<\/em> in the way you transcribe speech. We don\u2019t write \u201cgrahss\u201d if we try to capture how the king of England speaks. We don\u2019t write \u201ceet eez \u2019orrible\u201d if we try to capture how President Macron expresses himself.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Do use the actual words that your character uses. President Macron is probably more likely than the rest of us to use the word <em>voila<\/em> even when speaking English. And if he says it, that\u2019s what you write. Likewise, if a Black American character says <em>finna<\/em> (a contraction of <em>fixing to<\/em> or <em>going to<\/em>) then that\u2019s the word you write down. It IS a word; it just isn\u2019t an SAE \/ RP word. Don\u2019t patronise your characters by editing their speech.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Do use the grammar that your character adopts. So if your character is African-American, she might say \u2018<em>I done bought it\u2019<\/em>, in which case you write, \u2018<em>I done bought it<\/em>.\u2019<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>For that matter, most of us are perfectly adept at code-shifting, so that same character might speak using AAVE when at home with her mother, but might use SAE when (say) running for President of the United States. And if your character code-shifts, you code-shift right along with her.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The same goes for English spoken as a second language. Let\u2019s say your novel features a top French footballer, who possibly now plays for Real Madrid. Perhaps that footballer says, \u201cI do not chase after the records.\u201d No native English speaker would naturally put the word \u201cthe\u201d into that sentence, and nearly all English footballers would say \u201cdon\u2019t\u201d rather than \u201cdo not.\u201d So you don\u2019t need to do anything as condescending as write \u201c<em>Eet ees \u2019orrible<\/em>\u201d in order to hear the Frenchness in the speaker. You just have a careful ear for those non-native uses and let the reader intuit the rest. They definitely will.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p>I think the only time this is liable to get complicated is in relation to languages that are highly related to English, but aren\u2019t actually English.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>A lot of you will have encountered the broad Yorkshire speech of Wuthering Heights. This for example:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>&#8216;What are ye for?&#8217; he shouted. &#8216;T&#8217; maister&#8217;s down i&#8217; t&#8217; fowld. Go round by th&#8217; end o&#8217; t&#8217; laith, if ye went to spake to him.\u2019<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Would that be better with \u201cthe master\u2019s down in the fold\u201d? And well \u2013 I don\u2019t know. You can call it both ways. The modern tendency would be to eliminate some of the non-standard spelling, but in Bronte\u2019s day, the fact was that broad Yorkshire dialect (\u201cTyke\u201d) was pretty much a language to itself, related to English in much the same way as Robert Burns\u2019 Scots is. In which case \u2013 honour the language. Give it leg room. That\u2019s what I chose to do with my Orcadian sailor, Caff, and deliberately wrote a version of Orcadian that was damn close to impenetrable to an ordinary reader.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And if you want to do that then, (a) have fun! It\u2019s really entertaining. And (b) get it right. I don\u2019t speak Orcadian, I\u2019m not Scottish, and I\u2019ve never been to the Orkneys. So I did the best that I could with books and online resources \u2026 then wrote to the editor of an Orkney newspaper and asked for her help. She was very happy to give that to me, and I was very happy to receive it, and my readers have the joy of having a little bit more Orcadian in their lives: something we all need.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>FEEDBACK FRIDAY \/ Non-standard speech<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Before the task, I need to say that, in recent weeks I\u2019ve been more remote from lovely Feedback Friday (FF) than I\u2019d like to have been. That\u2019s because of some tedious but time-consuming life nonsense that \u2013 I trow and I trust \u2013 is now mostly behind me. So, I\u2019ll be getting back to FF with more vigour in the coming weeks.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And this week? Let\u2019s just take a look at any chunk of text where you have a character speaking in a non-RP\/SAE way. So that could be a regional or other dialect. Or it could be a non-native speaker. Or someone with cognitive difficulties. Or a talking animal. Or a professor in a kids book gabbling at a mile-a-minute. When you&#8217;re ready, log in to our shiny new Townhouse and post yours <a href=\"https:\/\/myjericho.jerichowriters.com\/forums\/forum\/feedback-friday\/29-august-2025-non-standard-speech\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>here<\/strong><\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dig out your chunks, and let\u2019s have a look, innit?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Til soon.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Harry<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I\u2019ve had a couple of emails recently that I think have deserved a wider response. Here\u2019s one: \u201cPlease could you possibly say a little more about why the first example is \u2018orrible and the second is OK. When does dialect become patronising? 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