{"id":451174,"date":"2021-10-19T08:27:01","date_gmt":"2021-10-19T08:27:01","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/jerichowriters.com\/?p=451174"},"modified":"2022-09-23T12:18:14","modified_gmt":"2022-09-23T11:18:14","slug":"julia-stone-managing-publishing-expectations-and-psychology-in-writing","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/jerichowriters.com\/julia-stone-managing-publishing-expectations-and-psychology-in-writing\/","title":{"rendered":"Julia Stone on managing your publishing expectations and using psychology in writing"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Jericho Writers <a href=\"https:\/\/jerichowriters.com\/join-us\/\">member<\/a> Julia Stone has had a long and varied career, often using her background in psychology as a springboard into her writing and other creative pursuits. <\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Her first book, a psychological thriller called<em> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.co.uk\/Her-Little-Secret-psychological-obsessive-ebook\/dp\/B09B3H98Z7\/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Her+Little+Secret&amp;qid=1630403875&amp;sr=8-1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Her Little Secret<\/a><\/em>, was published by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.hachette.co.uk\/landing-page\/orion-dash\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Orion Dash<\/a> in August 2021. We were honoured to talk to her about her journey to publication, and the expectations and surprises of commercial publishing.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p><em>JW: Tell us about your first published book,&nbsp;&#8216;Her Little Secret&#8217;.&nbsp;Where did the concept come from?&nbsp;<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>JS: When doing therapy work with&nbsp;couples,&nbsp;I sometimes hear two completely different versions of events; like a mirror image. She paints him as a miser. He describes her as wasting their savings. Both believe their interpretation is \u2018the truth\u2019. But how would I know if one of them was lying&nbsp;about the other?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>As a therapist, I don\u2019t&nbsp;get to meet&nbsp;my&nbsp;client\u2019s friends and family,&nbsp;I&nbsp;don\u2019t see them at work or at home in the evenings. All&nbsp;I have to go on&nbsp;is what&nbsp;I&nbsp;see, hear and feel in the therapy sessions. But what if someone came for therapy and didn\u2019t tell the truth? What possible reason could they have\u2026?&nbsp; These were the questions that got me thinking.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Cristina, the therapist in my novel,&nbsp;has been trusted with a lot of secrets.&nbsp;Her client,&nbsp;Leon,&nbsp;is being selective with the truth because he wants something &#8211; something only Cristina can tell him. The story idea blossomed from there.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p><em>JW: Had you done much writing before then? What\u2019s your background as a writer?&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>JS: My earliest published work was a letter to <em>Jackie<\/em> magazine in 1974 \u2013 I pretended to be a Vulcan and not understand the concept of love!&nbsp;My mother encouraged us to&nbsp;be creative and we&nbsp;wrote&nbsp;our own stories from a young age \u2013 although I have to admit, most of them were rip-offs of&nbsp;&#8216;Mallory Towers&#8217;<em>.<\/em>&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In my 30-year career as a business psychologist, I&nbsp;wrote&nbsp;professional materials for client companies and contributed to managerial text books.&nbsp;Then&nbsp;in my early forties I came back to&nbsp;my creative side,&nbsp;completing&nbsp;an art degree part-time&nbsp;and studying scriptwriting. I brought&nbsp;writing into my artwork,&nbsp;as each&nbsp;sculpture&nbsp;was&nbsp;always&nbsp;accompanied by an&nbsp;imagined \u2018backstory&#8217;.&nbsp;I&nbsp;also&nbsp;self-published an artist\u2019s book &#8211;&nbsp;&#8216;Heavy Clumping&nbsp;Cat Litter<em>&#8216; &#8211;&nbsp;<\/em>&nbsp;a&nbsp;flash fiction\/photography collection&nbsp;inspired by&nbsp;found shopping lists.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Around this time, I was lucky enough to&nbsp;be shortlisted&nbsp;in several competitions for&nbsp;a script idea, a short story, and the early chapters of a novel. That encouraged me to think&nbsp;more seriously&nbsp;about novel writing.&nbsp;I had loads of ideas&nbsp;half-written&nbsp;in my bottom drawer&nbsp;but now&nbsp;I\u2019d&nbsp;rediscovered&nbsp;the&nbsp;creative&nbsp;writing&nbsp;bug, so in 2017 I&nbsp;applied for the Faber Academy&nbsp;<em>Writing a Novel<\/em>&nbsp;programme.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>JW: What was your journey to getting an agent?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>JS: During the six-month Faber course I produced a draft novel&nbsp;that&nbsp;sparked some interest from agents with three manuscript requests, but sadly no&nbsp;one offered representation.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In 2018 I&nbsp;signed up to Jericho&nbsp;Writers and&nbsp;attended every workshop I could&nbsp;which really fired&nbsp;me&nbsp;up with enthusiasm. An&nbsp;idea came to me when I was driving on a long journey and&nbsp;I&nbsp;started&nbsp;work on&nbsp;a new story. I&nbsp;was thrilled when it was short-listed for Best Opening Chapter at the&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/jerichowriters.com\/events\/summer-festival-of-writing\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Festival of Writing<\/a>&nbsp;that year. That gave me the courage to enter&nbsp;the <a href=\"https:\/\/bluepencilagency.com\/bpa-first-novel-award-2021\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Blue Pencil First Novel Award<\/a>.&nbsp;As the book went from longlist to&nbsp;shortlist&nbsp;I was&nbsp;amazed&nbsp;and didn\u2019t expect anything more. I was on my way to London for a meeting when I heard the novel had won&nbsp;<em>and<\/em>&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/madeleinemilburn.co.uk\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Madeleine Milburn<\/a> wanted to offer me representation!&nbsp;I was so surprised and excited I&nbsp;missed the train, but it was the best ever excuse to be late for a meeting.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>In 2018 I signed up to Jericho Writers and attended every workshop I could which really fired me up with enthusiasm.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Managing expectations and emotions <\/h3>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p><em>JW: In what ways has your work as a psychologist complimented or contrasted with your work as a writer?&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>JS: My background is in management&nbsp;consultancy where&nbsp;deadlines are set in stone and&nbsp;\u2018time is money\u2019 \u2013&nbsp;back in the 1990s we literally had to keep timesheets and account for what we were doing every half hour.&nbsp;So,&nbsp;the&nbsp;time&nbsp;lags in the&nbsp;writing&nbsp;&amp;&nbsp;publishing&nbsp;process&nbsp;were a bit of a shock. For the writer,&nbsp;there seems to be a lot of waiting&nbsp;&#8211; for a response,&nbsp;for feedback, for edits \u2013 and no idea of when this might come.&nbsp;Agencies and editors are inundated&nbsp;and&nbsp;it can leave the writer in a reactive position, feeling a bit in the dark. And, as&nbsp;we all know,&nbsp;that&nbsp;is when the doubts creep in.&nbsp;I&nbsp;do&nbsp;wonder if more could be done to&nbsp;explain what is happening and&nbsp;manage expectations?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>On the other hand,&nbsp;my work and experience&nbsp;in psychology&nbsp;helps me to&nbsp;cope with the ups and downs of the journey. I\u2019m not immune but I know the tools and techniques that help manage any emotional reactions to disappointments and setbacks. Psychology has also helped me to&nbsp;understand personality, motivation, and behaviour. This is a great help with developing rounded and believable characters, although I don\u2019t think you ever stop learning your craft.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>For the writer,&nbsp;there seems to be a lot of waiting&nbsp;&#8211; for a response,&nbsp;for feedback, for edits \u2013 and no idea of when this might come.&nbsp;Agencies and editors are inundated&nbsp;and&nbsp;it can leave the writer in a reactive position, feeling a bit in the dark. And, as&nbsp;we all know,&nbsp;that&nbsp;is when the doubts creep in.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The publishing industry: expectations vs. reality <\/h3>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p><em>JW: You signed a deal with Orion Dash, a digital-first imprint. What was that experience like? Was it what you had been expecting?&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>JS: To be honest, I didn\u2019t really know what to expect. What has&nbsp;pleasantly&nbsp;surprised me&nbsp;is the speed;&nbsp;the time scales are so much quicker than traditional publishing. The offer from Orion Dash was made in March 2021 and&nbsp;&#8216;Her Little Secret&#8217;<em>&nbsp;<\/em>was published in August, having been through a significant structural edit in that period.&nbsp;The whole thing is a learning experience for me&nbsp;and I\u2019m loving it.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>JW: You\u2019ve also had work published before&nbsp;in your professional field of psychology as well as having experience in scriptwriting&nbsp;for training videos. How&nbsp;did this background inform your expectations of commercial publishing, and did anything surprise you?&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The rounds of editing! Aside from proof edits, no one has ever given structural feedback on&nbsp;anything I\u2019ve written&nbsp;in my professional field. It was fascinating and something I hadn\u2019t expected, although I really see the benefit.&nbsp;I think it would be helpful for writers to know how many rounds of rewriting they will need to go through&nbsp;at all stages:&nbsp;before they submit to agents, then before their agent submits to a publisher, and finally, with the publishing editor.&nbsp;&nbsp;You\u2019ve got to love the characters to stick with them through all this!&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>I think it would be helpful for writers to know how many rounds of rewriting they will need to go through&nbsp;at all stages:&nbsp;before they submit to agents, then before their agent submits to a publisher, and finally, with the publishing editor.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p><em>JW: What are you working on now? If you\u2019re writing the follow-up, how are you approaching it?&nbsp;<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I\u2019m currently halfway through&nbsp;rewriting a previous&nbsp;psychological suspense novel, which has a totally different feel to&nbsp;&#8216;Her Little Secret&#8217;<em>.<\/em>&nbsp;(That said, the protagonist&nbsp;<em>is<\/em>&nbsp;once again&nbsp;an unmarried,&nbsp;child-free&nbsp;woman in her fifties!)&nbsp;As always I start by working out the key plot points and write a 2-4 page synopsis as if I am telling someone else the story. I then find images that represent the main characters and anything relating to their environment and stick them in a&nbsp;notebook.&nbsp;Obviously, the story changes as the characters take it off in unpredicted directions, but this gives me enough to get started. By the time I\u2019ve finished the first draft, the notebook pages are bulging with scribbled notes, mind maps, sketches, quotes and articles torn from newspapers. It\u2019s the only way I know how to do it!&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p><em>JW: Any final advice to those starting out?&nbsp;<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Obviously <a href=\"https:\/\/jerichowriters.com\/join-us\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">sign up and get involved with Jericho Writers<\/a>! From my own experience, I strongly recommend taking part in workshops, writing groups, and competitions. Ideally set up&nbsp;or&nbsp;join a writing group. I wouldn\u2019t have stuck with it had I not been part of a mutually supportive writing group&nbsp;that&nbsp;I met during the six months at Faber. Writing can be a lonely job and we need all the support and encouragement we can get from others who are on this journey.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">About Julia <\/h4>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-9d6595d7 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:66.66%\">\n<p>Julia Stone\u202fapplies&nbsp;her creativity in her work as&nbsp;a writer, ceramic artist, coach, supervisor and therapist.&nbsp;She has had a long career in psychology and psychotherapy and now works part-time. She loves learning and&nbsp;was&nbsp;recently&nbsp;thrilled to&nbsp;pass her Level 1 exams in British Sign Language.&nbsp;Her second book will be published by Orion&nbsp;Dash&nbsp;in 2022.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:33.33%\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-medium is-resized\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/jerichowriters.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/julia-stone-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-451180\" width=\"225\" height=\"225\" srcset=\"https:\/\/jerichowriters.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/julia-stone-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/jerichowriters.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/julia-stone-100x100.jpg 100w, https:\/\/jerichowriters.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/julia-stone-600x600.jpg 600w, https:\/\/jerichowriters.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/julia-stone-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/jerichowriters.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/julia-stone-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/jerichowriters.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/julia-stone-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/jerichowriters.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/julia-stone-640x640.jpg 640w, https:\/\/jerichowriters.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/julia-stone-350x350.jpg 350w, https:\/\/jerichowriters.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/julia-stone.jpg 1000w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 225px) 100vw, 225px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Her Little Secret&nbsp;<\/em>is available in&nbsp;ebook, audio and paperback from <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.co.uk\/Her-Little-Secret-psychological-obsessive-ebook\/dp\/B09B3H98Z7\/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Her+Little+Secret&amp;qid=1630403875&amp;sr=8-1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Amazon.<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Website:&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.juliastonewriter.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">www.juliastonewriter.com<\/a>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Twitter: <a href=\"https:\/\/mobile.twitter.com\/julestake3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">@julestake3&nbsp;<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Instagram: @julia.stone.writer&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Jericho Writers member Julia Stone has had a long and varied career, often using her background in psychology as a springboard into her writing and other creative pursuits. 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